A Conversation with Christina Grdovic & Nilou Motamed
There鈥檚 Never Been a Better Time to Eat
Christina Grdovic and Nilou Motamed are at the helm of "Food & Wine" magazine, as publisher and editor, respectively. The two women are taking the magazine into its next phase, with new additions like the millennial food site FWx. They joined us in conversation about their careers and what we can expect to see from them and "Food & Wine" in the future.
Christina Grdovic has been the publisher of 鈥淔ood & Wine鈥 magazine since 2007. She鈥檚 been part of the brand for nearly two decades, initiating and leading numerous marketing programs, including the magazine's partnership with the Bravo Series 鈥淭op Chef,鈥 and its partnership with the South Beach Wine & Food Festival. Prior to her first job with the company鈥攄irecting the 鈥淔ood & Wine鈥 Classic in Aspen鈥攕he worked in advertising at Kirschenbaum Bond + Partners.
In February 2016, Nilou Motamed began her new role as editor of 鈥淔ood & Wine,鈥 one of Time Inc.'s flagship brands. This task includes overseeing all of the magazine's editorial content, managing partnerships, and facilitating the Best New Chefs program and the millennial food site FWx.
Ms. Motamed was host of the restaurant review show 鈥淩eservations Required鈥 and Travel Channel's 鈥淭ravel Spies.鈥 She was Conrad Hotels' first director of inspiration, and the editor in chief of Cond茅 Nast's Epicurious. As the features director and senior correspondent for 鈥淭ravel + Leisure,鈥 she covered hotels, shopping, culture, and other trends in luxury travel, and shaped the magazine's restaurant coverage and the brand's annual Food & Travel issue. During this time, the magazine was nominated for eight James Beard Awards. Born in Iran and raised in Paris and New York City, Ms. Motamed studied at Binghamton University and the Sorbonne in Paris, and is fluent in four languages.
Christina, for people not in the industry, what does being a publisher mean?
Christina Grdovic: You oversee all of the sales and marketing for the magazine, for the website and for the events that we do. And the sales and marketing go hand in hand, because you create the marketing to sell the advertising.
And Nilou, how did you get into this business?
Nilou Motamed: My entr茅e into the food world is a weird combination of passion and happenstance. I鈥檓 from Iran, so a very different food culture but very much a culture focused on food. Then I moved to France when I was nine, and I basically learned French through a combination of going to Berlitz and watching cooking shows in France. Michel Oliver was this TV cook, and I would write down the recipes; I would simultaneously translate them into Farsi so that my mom could make the dishes for me because I was too little.
We had a Vietnamese teacher鈥檚 aide, and she would come after school to my house. She would speak to us in French and teach us how to make pho. So I fell in love with Vietnamese food. And I realized very quickly that regardless of whether I spoke the language, regardless of whether I was comfortable in a new environment, food was the thing that would immediately pull me through.
So we moved to the States and I went to high school, with cooking always in the background. After college I took my LSATs, worked at a law firm, and worked for a judge. My father is an engineer. My sister鈥檚 a lawyer. My brother鈥檚 an engineer. So of course, I was going to become something very straightforward too.
But then I figured it out somehow. I started out at this magazine called 鈥淢anhattan File,鈥 where I was a fact-checker intern. I sat in the magazine closet all day; people would come in all day long to microwave their lunches in my space.
Fast-forward to my lucky break in 2000, when I got hired as an associate editor at 鈥淭ravel + Leisure鈥 magazine. And at that moment there was no such thing as a food editor, especially at a travel brand, so I carved that niche out for myself. From there I became the food editor and then the features director. I started the first-ever food issue of 鈥淭ravel + Leisure.鈥 From there I went on to run 鈥淓picurious.鈥 Then three months ago, I got lucky enough to get the dream job of editor for 鈥淔ood & Wine.鈥
Christina: People always assume that if you鈥檙e in the food industry, you grew up cooking with your grandmother. It turns out my grandmother was a terrible cook. While my mother was a perfectly capable cook and put dinner on the table every night, it was the same dinner at five o'clock.
My father had that gallon of Gallo on the floor. And he would pick it up and fill up his glass with half water, half ice, and the gallon of wine. That was my wine experience. So I definitely didn鈥檛 know there was a food world.
What are your most exciting plans for the future of the brand?
Nilou: We have a very robust social media following, about 9 million and growing. We have a very healthy footprint in digital, both for 鈥淔ood & Wine鈥 and FWx, our millennial-focused site. Video is clearly a great opportunity for growth. I learned how to truss a chicken not from my mom but from a terrible video online. So why can鈥檛 we create a much better interaction?
I love the statistic, 鈥淭here are more 20-somethings cooking now than ever before in any era previously.鈥 So these young people are so hungry for this content, and we can deliver it to them in a much more modern way than the way that we got it.
How do candidates for the Best New Chefs come to your attention? What makes them outstanding?
Nilou: This is a program that鈥檚 been going on since before the Food Network started, before the James Beard Awards. The talents that have come out of it are basically every boldface name in our world as chefs鈥擳homas Keller, Daniel Boulud, Alice Waters, Nobu Matsuhisa, Tom Colicchio鈥.
So the way that the editors approach this is diligent. We travel all around the country, all year long. We tap into former Best New Chefs, and our correspondents around the country to give us feedback. And then we go to those destinations.
Each chef has to have been running a kitchen for five years or less. But I love the fact that these chefs are already entrepreneurs. They鈥檙e already little empire-builders. A younger chef who鈥檚 not that established can already have multiple restaurants. The guys from Contra and Wildair in New York, Fabian von Hauske and Jeremiah Stone, they already have two restaurants. And that, to me, is a testament to how sophisticated chefs have become in realizing that this is both a labor of love and a business.
Christina: If you look back on the 1988 class, those were all fine-dining restaurants. But now everything has evolved so much. Roy Choi won when he only had a food truck. He was the first winner to not have a brick-and-mortar. David Chang won when he was at Momofuku. Momofuku would not have won in 1988.
Last year we had a guy in Indianapolis [Jonathan Brooks of Milktooth] who serves breakfast and lunch, but he doesn鈥檛 serve dinner. So a restaurant that doesn鈥檛 serve dinner winning as a 鈥淔ood & Wine鈥 Best New Chef is a big deal.
Nilou: As an example, Mike Gulotta won this year, at MoPho. He鈥檚 doing a very individual take on Vietnamese food in an up-and-coming part of New Orleans. These are very singular, very passion-driven restaurants. The criteria are ephemeral.
We want every single one of these restaurants to be pioneers in whatever it is that they are passionate about. So it鈥檚 not necessarily about the d茅cor, the vibe, the food. It鈥檚 about all of it together, and this singular person who is the driving force behind it.
Some of the Best New Chefs' venues definitely wouldn鈥檛 have been on the list at the beginning, such as a food truck.
Nilou: If we looked at the list when it first started, I think there was a model that you had to pursue in order to get Michelin recognition, in order to get 鈥淣ew York Times鈥 stars or whatever it is that you thought was the paragon. You have this image of the classic way of delivering excellence.
Now the definition of excellence has expanded in a way that鈥檚 really dynamic and fun for the diner. There鈥檚 never been a better time to eat鈥攏ot just in New York or in the U.S., but around the world. It鈥檚 why we鈥檙e so obsessed with food, because it鈥檚 such a fun joy ride on your palate, emotionally and culturally.
There are so many outlets for food information鈥攑hotographs, media about recipes, videos about food. What is your brand鈥檚 role in today鈥檚 food culture?
Christina: We have credibility because we鈥檝e been doing this longer than everybody else. And we provide access. We have the 鈥淔ood & Wine鈥 Classic in Aspen, but we鈥檙e also involved with 15 other events around the country and in the Caribbean. So that鈥檚 good for our advertisers, but also good for chefs and wine experts, because we have a place to bring them and showcase all the talent.
Nilou: Editorially, we're authentic in what we do. So I think there鈥檚 a real engagement with what it is that our audience is looking for because we are that audience. Our recipes are rigorously tested in our amazing test kitchen.
Because of the proliferation of food content, I think that authority is sometimes lacking. People are just trying to create the next great list and sometimes that list may not come from a place of expertise. The fact that we have the expertise, we have the authority, those are great things. But I think it鈥檚 the authenticity that we have鈥攑eople have that love for our brand.
What鈥檚 exciting to you right now in terms of cuisines, countries, or trends?
Nilou: I鈥檓 very excited about Iran.
Christina: Everyone鈥檚 excited about Iran.
Nilou: We just acknowledged Alon Shaya [of modern Israeli restaurant Shaya, in New Orleans] in our Best New Restaurants platform, and I do think that Middle Eastern cuisine is having a moment. Michael Solomonov [chef-owner of modern Israeli restaurant Zahav in Philadelphia, and winner of the 2011 James Beard Award for Best Mid-Atlantic Chef] has just opened Dizengoff in New York's Chelsea Market.
Chef Solomonov told me he's literally taking the train up to New York so that he can make the bread himself, because his favorite thing to do at Zahav is making the pita. He said, 鈥淭here鈥檚 nothing better for me than the idea that I touched every single piece of bread that my guests are eating.鈥
It鈥檚 not just about being in the kitchen anymore. It鈥檚 about being on social media, coming up with event platforms, being a businessperson. But the fact is, Chef Solomonov still wants to do the most elemental thing鈥攈e wants to make the bread. That's really why chefs go into the business. They, and we by extension, are feeding people. And that is the most intimate and most genuine thing that I think anyone can do.
What about health consciousness as a trend?
Nilou: I鈥檓 really excited about the idea of chefs' awareness of the importance of eating healthfully. It鈥檚 a business, and you can鈥檛 burn the candle at both ends the way I think some chefs did 10 years ago. They鈥檇 get off after their shifts, and they鈥檇 be drinking to excess and then just pass out. And I鈥檓 sure plenty of that still happens.
But these guys who run these businesses, they have to be able to get up in the morning and bounce back again. It鈥檚 so hard on you to be in the kitchen all day, on your feet working. It鈥檚 so physical. So they鈥檙e really thinking about how they鈥檙e feeding themselves, but also thinking about how they鈥檙e feeding their guests.
Marco Canora is an example: he started looking at brodo [bone broth], which was an outcome of him thinking about how he could be more healthy. Now bone broth has become the latest big thing. It's very pho-like, very Vietnamese. I recently asked Jacques P茅pin about trends and he said, 鈥淎ll the trends are what we used to do.鈥
Christina: What鈥檚 old is new.
Nilou: P茅pin said that when he was growing up in France, he started cooking when he was 13 as an apprentice. He said, 鈥淲e didn鈥檛 have refrigeration. We would just go to the market that day and get whatever and cook it and eat it. And the eggs came straight from the chickens.鈥 So I think the fact that we are coming closer to where our food source is, being organic鈥攁nd the conversations around GMOs, sustainability, less waste鈥攖hose are all topics that we as a brand can help elicit conversation about. And I think chefs play a big role in that. Chefs are the new rocks stars.
Christina: Except for the most part, they鈥檙e nicer.
Nilou: I think rock stars have gotten nicer too. Chefs in people鈥檚 minds are the people to emulate. We talked to Gail Simmons, who鈥檚 part of the brand and works on 鈥淭op Chef鈥 and is an ICE graduate. And she says people come up to her now and say, 鈥淚 watched 鈥楾op Chef鈥 as a kid, and that鈥檚 why I became a chef.鈥
Christina: Or even if they鈥檙e just cooking at home. How great is that that more people are cooking at home because they鈥檙e obsessed with Gail or 鈥淭op Chef鈥?
Nilou: Little kids are cooking. I love the fact that now men are cooking more than ever, which is phenomenal. Not professionally, but men cooking as the primary cook in their family, which is very exciting too.
In your observations and travels, have you seen ways that we can make good eating habits and fresh produce more accessible, especially to people who might not be able to afford fresh food every day?
Nilou: Two Best New Chefs, Roy Choi and Daniel Patterson, have opened this healthy fast-food concept called Locol. They actually met through us. And they are really keen to put these restaurants in underserved communities. They just got a 2016 Best New Restaurant from us for that. Nothing鈥檚 over $6. There are no sodas, no french fries. They鈥檙e sneaking healthy stuff into the food. So there鈥檚 a burger, but it has tofu in it too. They鈥檝e now opened in Watts, in Oakland and in other underserved communities.
Christina: Nine years ago we were celebrating the 25th anniversary of the "Food & Wine" Classic, and we wanted to do something philanthropic. We had always worked closely with Share Our Strength and Taste of the Nation and Second Harvest, helping to raise money. But we wanted put all of our efforts in one place, so we partnered with Michel Nischan鈥檚 Wholesome Wave.
Wholesome Wave is about teaching people about sustainability and trying to get good food into underserved communities. Ultimately, if we could teach people about this and help this happen, that would help the hunger problem. For example, Wholesome Wave works to set up farmers鈥 markets, which helps the farmers because they have to agree to go not just to the affluent communities, but to sell in underserved communities.
What would you say to people who are thinking about going into food, hospitality, or food media? How they can develop their voice, whether it鈥檚 their culinary or written voice?
Christina: Find people whom you think are really good at what they do, but whom you also respect and want to be around. If you surround yourself with people you like and you鈥檙e proud of, everything鈥檚 going to be better.
Grant Achatz runs an unbelievable organization in Chicago, but that鈥檚 not for everybody. And Union Square Hospitality Group is spectacular. I love every single person that I come into contact with there, but that鈥檚 not for everybody.
Nilou: There鈥檚 never been a more exciting time to be an individualist in food. You have an opportunity, whether you鈥檙e going to be a chef, or in food media, or in hospitality, to deliver a message. So my advice is to be yourself, because you can鈥檛 fake it. That, to me, is very much what our brand represents.
Be proactive and over-deliver. I think that those two things have been the keys to my success.
Just because you鈥檙e in contact with somebody who鈥檚 more senior than you or more seasoned than you, don鈥檛 be cowed by that. If you have an opportunity to engage with somebody, ask questions but be smart. Don鈥檛 waste anyone鈥檚 time.
Be proactive, over-deliver, and follow your passion.
Christina: You should get into this business because you want to be a 鈥渉ospitalitarian.鈥
Nilou: That鈥檚 a Danny Meyer word.
Christina: Be a hospitalitarian. It doesn鈥檛 mean that you won鈥檛 be famous. It doesn鈥檛 mean that you won鈥檛 make lots of money. But in my opinion, the people who are the best at this are the people who want to serve others.
It鈥檚 funny, because in the hospitality world, I think a lot of people would say, 鈥淥h, there are so many divas.鈥 There are some divas. But the vast majority of people are, 鈥淟et me get you a drink. Can I get you something else? How can I help you?鈥 I don鈥檛 think there鈥檚 another industry where you would have all these people coming together to help each other, entertain each other, serve each other.
Nilou: Being present for people is the best gift you can give to anybody if you鈥檙e in hospitality. Your job is to be engaged with them and to make them feel like they鈥檙e a VIP.
They walk into your restaurant, and they鈥檝e had a terrible day, and you are going to feed them. You鈥檙e going to take care of them. You鈥檙e going to make them feel special, and they鈥檙e going to walk out feeling better. And they鈥檙e also not going to be hungry. That鈥檚 it.
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